The story of Apostle Alexander Bamgbola may sound like
a story straight from a children’s bed time story book, but truth is, it is a
real life story with many of the characters involved still alive with scars
to show for it!
Ifa predicted his birth and cautioned his parents on how he would be preserved, seeing that children that came before him were dying.
His grandfather, a celebrated Oba, was the Chief Ifa priest from Kwara to Oyo in those days. "He was very powerful." Apostle Alexander Bamgbola also found power! He shares this frightening but exciting story of his lifestyle with us in this interview with Paul Ukpabio.
In
what ways will you say that your early background influenced the person you are
today?
Of course, early life determines the foundation and
there is no building without a foundation.so certainly my early life influenced
what I am today specifically in areas of moral background and even spiritual
background. My grandfather was an Oba. He was very strict with morality and
integrity.
Are
you from Lagos?
No, we are from Igbo Owu igbaja in Ilorin, Kwara state.
I was raised in Ibadan and then Lagos.
What
memories of early life can you recall?
I recall the love of my parents. My parents were in Lagos in the early 30s and
40s. They had three children before me who all died. At that time, my
grandfather was an Oba and traditionally, they had means of checking out such
misfortune. So my mother was advised to return home to Kwara state when next
she was pregnant and ready to give birth. So I was the fourth child and was
given birth to outside Lagos. So I didn’t die!
Did
you grow up with your grandfather?
No, I grew up with my mom and dad. There is a lot of
mystical things about my life. My grandfather was he Chief of Ifa priests in
the old region of Kwara to Oyo. He was a spiritually powerful man. He
instructed that I should be kept away when I was born for a year or so. Ifa
said I was to be carried away to an unknown place to be hidden. And so my
parents carried me to an unknown place. What they did was that they were
heading to Lagos after sometime after my birth in a public transport. But when
they got to Ibadan, the vehicle broke down beyond immediate repair in a town
called Iroko in Oyo state. The journey to Lagos was immediately disturbed. My
parents were forced to look for a place to stay the night there. They
approached a stranger, who without hesitation offered us a place to stay. And
that was the omen that my parents were looking out for, having been told that
they should hide me. That is how my father lived there for 65 years. He built
house there, became prosperous as a big farmer and trader. He became one of the
two wealthiest people there and even later became the wealthiest years before
he passed on. He was Prince Owomole Ayinde Bamgbola. He was an Alhaji but 15
years before he passed on, he converted to Christianity and was named Emmanuel.
How
was growing up in Ibadan like?
I was truly an Ibadan boy. But then I later moved down
to Lagos from about 13 years old: Though I went to primary and modern school
there in the late 50s and 60s. After which I became a Lagos boy.
What
were you doing in Lagos?
I worked with Barclays Bank. That was my first job
after secondary school. I did not know that banking was going to be my career.
I worked there for 5 years before I decided to travel to America in 1971.
What
prompted your travel to America?
Well in the late 60s, it was the in-thing for those who
didn’t want to go to the university at home. So such people went abroad. I
wanted to go to America to read. We were the first generation of the educated
in my family. Before me were two cousins who were older than me and educated.
One went to Germany in 1969. The eldest of us went to England on scholarship in
1964 and came home in 1970.
So
they inspired you?
Yes, that was it. The inspiration was there. I actually
went to America to read. I studied Finance as my first degree having been
influenced by the banking job I left behind in Lagos. For most of us then, it
was either medicine or law. I was good in sciences so I initially wanted to
study medicine but I ended up with five and a half year in banking where I
ended up making money. And I felt that banking will be better off as a place I
could make cool money. So in USA, I went to University of Illinois to study
Finance, in Chicago, one of the most prominent universities in America then. I
finished in December, an odd time so I couldn’t go for Masters instead I
started second bachelors. I graduated with two degrees done concurrently,
marketing with distinctions of the highest honours. It was a great thing then,
for someone to graduate with two different degrees with first class honours.
That helped me to continue my career in banking in America. I joined the Bank
of Boston. My training was supposed to have been two years, but I knew much
about banking already which reduced my training to nine months. In 1978, I was
made an international officer of the bank. Those of us blacks who were in the
banking industry and many other industries then in America were few. There
weren’t many blacks in banking. I was blessed, a poor African child. By the
time I was Assistant Vice President of the bank, we were only five blacks. I
later became Vice President by the grace of God. First time many saw a black
man sitting together with the Chief Finance Officer of General Motors in the
70s. Then I would later travel to Germany to sit down with the Finance Director
of Volkswagen in West Germany. I experienced a lot of new things. I then later
came to Nigeria as an expatriate to start the bank of Boston here in Nigeria. I
was an expatriate for six years in my own country.
In
Lagos at that period, you must have been a real ‘big’ man?
Yes, but it was nothing because you are not big until
you have Christ! It is now that I am a big man because my God is a big God,
But
what was your lifestyle at that time?
I was usually in and out of the airport with luxury
cars and limousines, the best hotels and first class travel all around the
world. All that happened to a bush boy from an unknown village, But I never
lost my head.
You
were in America for a long time. Did you marry a white lady?
(Laughs) No, I didn’t, though there were temptations.
But I have black, white and even red coloured girlfriends, ironically, I had
made up my mind not to marry until I got back home. I planned to come back home
in 1976 before I got the Bank of Boston job. I was there, and I met a lot of
Nigerian girls. But I wasn’t ready for marriage. I was about 32. It was around
that period too that I met an Ibo girl. I had dated many others but somehow,
the Lord made it possible that we got married. So I married an Ibo lady in
Boston. She had just finished her first degree when we met.
How
has the marriage been?
It was beautiful. She just passed on in 2015 after over
40 years of marriage. It was a great plan. God gave us four beautiful children
in America. Three were born in America, while one was born here in Nigeria but
they are all Americans. They went to college here and in America. They have all
finished school now, graduated as engineers, there is one a banker like the
father, even gone on to become a consultant to top notch organizations working
all over the world. There three men and a girl. She used to be a manager in US,
married, but she came home when my wife passed on. She is the one taking after
me now, she is in the ministry. She loves the Lord. We knew that about her
right from the age of five. And the last man is also an engineer. They all went
to top schools in America.
When
you returned to Lagos, you must have joined the big social clubs?
Ofcourse, immediately I came back, I did that. My house
was already contemplated almost a year before I moved down to Lagos from
America. Though it was difficult before they could find accommodation for me in
Ikoyi, when they got one for me, I came to see a house with all my entitlement
as an expatriate in readiness for use by me. And the first place I joined was
Ikoyi Club so we became members in 1979. From there I went to join Island club.
But I wasn’t very active. I was a core professional. It was my work and then my
family. I was to build the bank. So it was serious work. After about five
years, I began to relax and join the boys to unwind. My closest friends then
were people in the military. Then, I wasn’t a born again Christian so I did
everything that they were doing. I can recall that I was one of the best
well-dressed men around always a black man dressed in a white man’s suit. But
in the evening I would be in jeans or anything casual even while I was General
Manger and later the Managing Director of the Nigerian-American Merchant Bank
as the Nigerian bank was called, before I left to start up another bank called
Victory Merchant Bank which I left after three years or so to retire. At that
time, banking had become something else. It wasn’t my own kind of banking
anymore. And that time, the Lord had called me in 1989.
What
was the call like?
My calling was dramatic. I didn’t want anything to do
with Jesus. My wife was so much in the Lord. She would invite Ministers of God,
but when they see me they would run away. I was into juju, I was into occult,
and I was a wizard! I had reached the level of the eleventh out of the 16
powers of a wizard. But the power was not strong enough the way I wanted it, so
the cult probably the strongest cult in the history of the Yoruba, I was
allowed to become a witch. (He removed his fez, to show me his bald head), you
see my head, we have not had history of being bald in my family. I got that
from the cult. My hair had to be cut so that a thousand and one blade incisions
could be done on my head for me to be initiated. That was how I lost my hair to
become a witch. I know many people think that it is only women that can become
witches, no, men too are witches! So when men of God came to me, they were
afraid, they couldn’t talk to me. If they came close, I laughed at them become
I was a real man and they were small boys.
What
was your lifestyle then?
When I moved around, I used different cars, I had
several. And they usually had juju inside. There were all manners of Juju.
Wherever I sat down, there would be all manners of juju around me some tied to
my waist. And I was in banking and people didn’t know that underneath my suit
there were juju stalked there for dangerous times or cases of emergency, until
the Lord got to me. It took the Lord Jesus Himself, to appear to me and called
me away from that path. He told me to drop everything and follow Him. The
moment He told me to come, I couldn’t resist. Nobody else could do that though
they tried but life was too good, you know sin is sweet. When you are in sin,
you enjoy it. That is why many people cannot give it up, it is very difficult
to give up. When the Lord called, I never looked back. It was the grace of God
that delivered me.
You
were ready to go with Christ, so there was a clash! Where you released easily
from the cult?
No, they wanted to kill me. The level I was and the
kind of cult that I was, there was no way of escape! It could only take Jesus
to deliver me from their hands. I was still the Managing Director of the bank
then when I met with Jesus. And I remember how I escaped death several time.
Spiritually, I was attacked severally. I could just be sleeping in my bedroom
and suddenly I will see paper or something by my side. I knew how it worked;
you know I was a strong member. But with Christ in me, many attacks were repelled.
Sometimes I would be on the highway with a brand new car and it will happen,
but God rescued me from those accidents. Jesus Christ was what kept me because
these people are not the kind of people you can toy with, you are dead! But
with Jesus, I made breakthrough.
How
did your wife celebrate that?
Oh, it was a great celebration because she had been
praying about it for over ten years. I was a big demon! She knew that I had
become a principality which is even greater than a demon. When I became born
again, we loaded the pick-up van that was popular then in the 80s with my juju
which filled it up and we had to use another vehicle a Nissan Laurel to load
more and then take it to the Lagoon and throw them away. That was how I cleanse
my house of the rubbish that the devil calls power. The Lord delivered me
because I was a very dangerous man.
You
are from the royal family, is that why you wear white?
No. But in my family, we are trendy dressers. My
grandfather was known in Kwara as a trendy Oba. In fact his oriki has to do with that. They used to
call him, Oba Bamgbola e le wu gege. He loved to dress well. He was a gorgeous
man. For me, I just received ministration that I should be wearing white a lot.
And it is recent. In the last ten years I have been wearing white quite a lot.
I am just preparing for heaven because that is the only colour they wear there.
But
you didn’t abandon America totally?
No, I’m an American. I was a resident of America in
1974. Afterwards I became a citizen. My children after school here all went
there, we have house there and that is my second home till now.
After
all the years of knowledge, wealth and power, Christianity is humility, it
humbles people, don’t you feel that you are missing out on the past?
Rather than missing out, I am enjoying myself. The only
person I want to satisfy is Jesus. I’m happier now. There was a time I had ten
cars, there was a time I had all the range of Mercedes benz cars, it was
insanity, what will anyone do with ten cars, at a time I had 15 cars at home.
All you need is a car and perhaps a back-up car in case the other breaks down.
When you are in Christ, all that becomes vanity! King Solomon had 700 wives,
one man yet he added 300 concubines and later he found out that all is vanity.
How
are you enjoying widowerhood?
I am no longer a widower. My wife passed on November 8,
2015 but the Lord gave me a wife, I just got married February 9 this year.
Were
you encouraged to marry by your children or did your work in the ministry compel
you to marry, or was it love at first sight?
No, definitely not love at first sight, I see women
every day and everywhere in America and wherever I go! But my wife was sick for
many years, she had cancer so I was carrying her here and abroad, back and
forth. In my 70s what would I want to do with a woman again, but when the Lord
took her away, I sat down with my daughter and a few friends and told them that
women business is out of my life. And I have been so busy in the last ten years
in Christian leadership positions, five years in PFN, I go on international
programmes to minister. When my wife left I told myself I will face the
ministry wholeheartedly but then miraculously, divinely the Lord gave me this
new woman. I wasn’t looking for her, she wasn’t looking for me. So we decided
to get married.
Do
you have any regret?
I have one. And that is, I didn’t know Jesus on time! I
knew him in my teens because I went to a Baptist school and got baptized, but
having left school, started working, though I was going to church, things were
different. After two years of joining Barclays Bank in Lagos, I was promoted,
bought a Peugeot 404, only few cars were on the entire Lagos roads in 1969 so I
was rascally. Commander Ebenezer Obey turned 77 few days ago and we were in his
house to pray and I brought up the stories of the past and he remembered that
way back then when I was in the banking world, I was usually at his shows. I
loved Commander Ebenezer Obey’s shows. So it was life of girls, drinks, parties
and when I got to America it was the same thing. So my regret, I wish I had
known Christ earlier.
You
are from the royal family, what if the traditional oracle chooses you to be an
Oba which means libation and rites all over again, will you accept?
Never!
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